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Last year I went to visit the physician leader of a large health care organization in one of those hip southern cities. To see him, I had to get through Pentagon level security in their corporate building. Seriously, there were invisible sensors and even chaperones. After the quiet elevator ride I waited for him in a glass terrarium conference room with waters and branded pens at each seat, and he breezed in talking with a colleague about a conflict with one of their anesthesia groups. After I showed him some data he crossed his arms, cleared his throat, and said, “I don’t believe in burnout. What’s that supposed to be anyway?” He hasn’t actually practiced medicine for a while, he shared, but he knew what was happening out there. Then he stood over the table and looking down, asked about my yellow-faced watch and smiled. “Now that’s interesting,” he told me. “What is that?” I fumbled, not remembering the name and had to stare at the watch face and find the little word. “My friend here calls them Time Pieces,” He continued. “That’s a nice time piece.” Then he walked me to the door. My cheap watch, a measure of time, is the also connection to an experience I just had at the opposite end of spectrum. Two weeks ago I presented the one-year follow-up findings from our work with physicians in eight clinical departments at a leading academic health system. 5departments saw a significant reduction in physician burnout, with decreases of up to 22%. Two departments remained unchanged—one was already performing well, and the other continues to struggle and sadly, one department worsened. The reasons they improved were obvious. With hard and focused effort on 10 action plans led by executive leaders who care about the work, most of those physicians were working less -- 4 to 5 hours fewer per week – than before. And for many, that’s the difference between seeing a kid’s softball game or recital, or getting to the gym, and not. In addition, many other daily details and cultural concerns were being addressed. Perhaps as impressive, the open-ended responses in the follow-up pulse survey had a different tone. Instead of “I’ve told you this again and again….” They started with, “I appreciate the help, but XXXXX is still driving me crazy…” The abject cynicism that characterizes so many facilities had evaporated – replaced by a cautious optimism and desire to be keep the work going. Believe me, there’s still plenty of work to do. The leaders of that organization have their sleeves rolled up and are prioritizing as we spread the work to the remaining 500 or so physicians. I wore the same cheap yellow watch to the presentation and mingled after. Oddly, no one mentioned it.

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Greg Larsh, PhD, BCC

Organizational Culture Consultant PennState Health Milton S. Hershey Medical Center. Retired

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Beautiful. Inspiring. Sobering. Thank you Dan. Your work, your team is making a difference.

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Kathryn Stamps

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Thought-provoking as usual, Dan. Burnout is very real and takes concentrated effort to help ameliorate. You have a great way with providing poignant insights through storytelling and I can only imagine the stories your yellow watch could tell!

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